Smoke and Mirrors

Updated with correct episode!  Sorry! 

This week we discuss Linden Lab’s decision to not be involved with SL9B, the status of the Mesh Clothing Deformer, Tupac’s Coachella Hologram and more!

This week’s topics include:

Bernhard Drax (Draxtor Despres) is a musician, new media producer, and machinima journalist.

Karl Stiefvater (Qarl Fizz, formerly Qarl Linden) is visual effects artist, software developer, and interactive designer extraordinaire.

Thank you to our sponsors, Botgirl’s Identity Circus and Pretty Feet!

About Kim/Gianna

Kimberly Winnington (SL: Gianna Borgnine) is the Emmy nominated owner and CEO of Sand Castle Studios, LLC, a company dedicated to helping organizations maximize the full potential of virtual worlds and social media by creating interactive, social, and 3D experiences. For the last 5 years, Kimberly has helped SCS clients stay ahead of the curve and is a respected resource for information on current and developing trends, social media, and immersive experiences.
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27 Responses to Smoke and Mirrors

  1. Crap Mariner says:

    Pssst. You might want to check which episode you posted.

    (You reposted last week’s mp3.)


  2. Inara Pey says:

    I’m not sure that Rod even views SL as a platform as you and I would necessarily mean. His commentary is more akin to viewing SL as a set of tools.

    When taken in this light, the move towards gaming mechanisms, stepping away from direct involvement, etc, actually does made a degree of sense. As Drax rightly stays, much of SL is wholly self-contained. Ergo, so long as the tools are there and there is a willingness to use them – what more does LL need to do?

    That said, the communications (or lack thereof) around the paradigm shift, hasn’t helped matters.

    And I’m speaking as one who regrets the loss of the centralised “gathering-point” for SLB…

  3. Crap Mariner says:

    Yes, The Matthew Show is amazing.
    (It’s amazing he puts up with my sister. Heh.)


  4. Medhue says:

    Come on, Qarl!!! Standard sizing was a terrible idea when you know that the deformer is coming. I think you are just trying to be nice to the standard sizing people. I’ve played with the deformer and what I see creators will have to do, is play around more with weighting. If they are making something that many different size people will use, which basically means all clothing, then you will need to not rig the clothing using the default weights. They will need to test and test their rigging and adjust weights to fit the most people. It might be good also to create a slightly oversized avatar to create clothing on, at least of non skin tight clothing.

    I was very much involved in open beta testing of mesh. Yes, clothing was not really talked about much. Plus, LL worked on mesh for years, and it could have been released months and months before it actually was. After mesh was released and it was obvious that Qarl was going to do the deformer, I begged clothing creators to wait for the deformer. From a business standpoint it only makes sense. 1 major aspect of being a business person is that you have to make good decisions about your time. Spending weeks and months trying to make clothing that is never, ever going to fit even the most constrained avatars is not a good business practice. And, the side effect is a bunch of customers that are unhappy with their purchase.

    IMO, clothing designers are desparate for customers, simply because there are literally thousands of them, and all for women. That market is crazy huge. Crazy HUGE, compared to any other category of products. So, when something new for clothing comes out, they jump all over it, hoping for some edge over the thousands of other designers. The sad part, is that so many people associate mesh with clothing, which it should not be, at all.

    The bottom line for mesh objects, is if you are not using it, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you did understand mesh, you’d never build with prims or sculpties again.

    On the facial recognition thing, I post SL photos on my FB all the time, and I always have to skip the facial recognition thingy, cause FB thinks the avatars are real people.

    • Kim/Gianna says:

      I was referring to closed beta. There was only a handful of really active people then and we got to deal directly with Runitai Linden, who to his credit listened attentively and tried to implement and solve anything the majority wanted/needed with very few exceptions. Clothing issues being one of those things that wasn’t in demand, never really mentioned, etc. If I remember correctly (and this was over 2-3 years ago now) when I mentioned clothing his answer was that mesh wasn’t the solution and we’d need something more like Havok cloth, but that probably wouldn’t happen because it would have to be client side. Now with the new policy changes regarding Havok and TPVs, I wish we would have pushed for that as I think it would be an fantastic solution.

      I completely agree with you on the rest.

      • Medhue says:

        Well, we gotta get creators to make efficient products before Havok clothes could ever be introduced. As it is, many creators don’t pay any attention at all to the efficiency of worn objects. So the same practices that plagued old products, will still plague the mesh products. LL implements things like display costs. They don’t tell any1 about it, and they don’t even implement those details on the MP. So customers have no clue what the display costs are. Havok clothes in this environment, would just lag everything more.

  5. Medhue says:

    Oh, and some1 should really look at the new weights that are being implemented on the SL avatar. There is a jira about it. LL is adopting new weights submitted in the jira. As far as I know, it’s already in the process of happening. This could cause some problems with the current default weights that all mesh clothing designers are using. IMO, the new weights don’t go far enough either. The weighting between the chest, abdomen, and hips are way to tight and really should be more gradual.

  6. Hey Drax, can you think of one or two example in the last couple of years when Linden Lab did something you thought justified open critique by community members?

    • Draxtor says:

      Matter of fact I do: plenty and no time to list them now. I come from a home where debating issues critically was encouraged, even as a child I was NOT screamed at/beaten by dad if I disagreed with his particular view. What I despise is the combination between loud/repetitive whining combined with apathy: the small vocal SL’ers who use social media primarily to repeat their slogans about the fascist Linden government don’t usually offer any solutions or do they? Do they engage in constructive debate? I personally try to – whenever I’m at SLCC, IM with Lindens in-world, whenever I have to call support or the many years I have reported on the relationship between the rulers and the governed (see this vid from 2007). Thankfully there are also many thoughtful bloggers like yourself, Gwyn, Inara and yes…Prok if you mentally block out the ad hominem attacks [possibly a function of alcohol but I digress]. Community by the way in SL as elsewhere is a very very heterogenous construct. Back to work now!

      • One thing I loved about your non-fiction video work was a sense of objectivity. IMHO, it’s a shame that your antipathy for a few critical zealots seems to have morphed your podcast persona into their mirror-image. You’re a deep and complex thinker. I encourage you to drop the snarky counterpoint schtick and give your sponsor the goods!

        • draxtor says:

          Thank you for the kind words in regards to my intellectual abilities :) I do feel that calling out the loudmouthed haters/bashers/watchamacallthem who are IMHO at least partially responsible for the negative image SL has in the public and the fear of some individuals/entities to jump in-world and give i a try. This is not a schtick, I am seriously mad at them at times for being selfish and at times seemingly emotionally disturbed [just like Tea Party etc in the "real" world]. I feel a certain sense of freedom in this podcast format to speak my mind and don’t have to adhere to that false objectivity he said/she said type of “journalism” that infected NPR even before I was a news director at a small member station. I can very well debate in detail and depth and felt that we do that on this podcast as well. But at the end of the day we are NOT “OnTheMedia” or “ToThePoint”, we are an opinion show. Now: what sponsor? I have a sponsor?

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  8. Qarl Updates Us on the Mesh Deformer, seems to be missing or not working for me?

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  10. So Reed writes to Rodvik that 9 out of 10 Second Life users are “retarded assholes”. Not to be outdone, Draxtor let us all know what a supreme being he is, and how precious his time is. The most basic respect for the podcast listener is disregarded. He has no clue about what it’s being talked about, reading the stories that are being discussed is for the unwashed masses, not for his highness, the king Drax. To top it off, he eats on-air in front of an open mike. Real classy.

    No wonder he cannot find anything wrong with Linden Lab. He’s got the right condescending and disrespectful attitude toward Second Life users that seems to be a hiring requirement at the Lab in the past couple of years.

    Qarl, if you ever decide to share your insight on a podcast that is not drowned in the sea of cluelessness and arrogance, please blog about it. I’d love to listen to that.

    • draxtor says:

      …sorry dude, was hungry. Reply: please read what I posted in re Botgirl. Now gotta go to my French cooking class and afterwards we discuss Goethe’s “The Sorrows of Young Wherter” and the novel’s impact on existentialist thought as well as Debussy’s ouvre – primarily “Reflets dans l’eau”. Have a good day sir!

      • No amount of sarcasm can mask the snotty and arrogant attitude you show. Too bad for Gianna who obviously puts a lot of hard work and dedication into making these podcasts.

        • draxtor says:

          …every good sense tells me not to comment back but go to the beach instead and do some serious surfing but here I go = a flawed human being! So here it goes: my secret agenda is to DESTROY Gianna and the entire virtual world community so as to pave the way for REAL social networks like Facebook and Google + to take over the interwebz. Good day :)D Elitist, washing my hands repeatedly to avoid the commoners germs, signing off!

          • You obviously think you’re funny. I don’t find being rude, insulting, promoting own self-importance, all just slightly covered by a thin layer of snark to be funny at all. But hey, don’t let me spoil your fun!

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